Monday, January 15, 2024

A.I.T.A?

 There is a column called A.I.T.A. It means, 'am I the a**hole?' People post their situation, and people weigh in on whether they are just being an asshole or are they justified.

I had an appointment today, one that I really didn't see the need for, but hey. I headed back, driving 5 hours to make that appointment. It was a pre-consultation for a colonoscopy. That is a change from when it was done last. Back then, I received a call to set the appointment and then I received a packet of instructions in the mail. I did as I was told and showed up at my scheduled time, and the deed was done. 

This time, however, there was this 'pre-consult'. 

So I show up for my appointment. The first thing that kind of caught my ear was the receptionist was all in a snit, because someone else had assembled the paperwork, and things might not be in the order that she put them in. There were four sheets. Really. Even if they were in a different order, it wasn't the end of the world. I listened to her complain to her coworker about it. She then handed me the papers, complaining that they might not be in order because she hadn't done it. 

Four freaking sheets of paper. If she was so bothered by it, she could have taken a few seconds to put them in the order that SHE preferred them to be in. 

I said, "It doesn't strike me as that big of a deal, really. Every problem has a solution, don't you think?" I had a feeling that the two employees had a mutual coworker they were targeting. I've been in that position before and it is an awful spot to be in. Hypercritical people trying to magnify every single thing you do. They are not being helpful. 

She looked surprised but admitted that this was true. We got through the four sheets of paper with minimal additional drama. 

I was escorted back to the waiting room. 

I waited. 

I was escorted back to the exam room by a nurse who took my vitals and asked me the date of my last colonoscopy. 

I said, "I really don't know, to be honest. My doctor said it was time, so she set up the appointment."

He flipped back through his paperwork, and said, "It was in 2010." 

Now here's where things began to go south. They obviously had my records. They had that information. So what, exactly, was the purpose of the appointment? I waited quietly after he left, and it wasn't long before the doctor came in with a medical student. She asked if it was okay for the medical student to do the questions. 

"Sure," I said.

The doctor left the room.

The student fixed me with a cheerful smile and asked me how I was doing. 

"Fine," I said.

She said, "So, you're here to set up an appointment for a colonoscopy?" 

Internally, I was thinking, "...for pete's sake..." but I answered, "Yes."

She leaned forward with a broad smile and said, "So can you tell me why you want a colonoscopy?" 

This time I said it out loud. "For pete's sake! Does anyone come into this office and actually want a colonoscopy?" 

Her smile wavered a little.

I said, "I'm not trying to be rude here, but I'm a very practical person. I was told by my primary care doctor that it is time for a colonoscopy, so she made an appointment. This office set up an appointment for a preconsultation, and here I am." 

She continued on. "Have you ever had a colonoscopy before?" 

Once again, I thought, 'for pete's sake...' but I said, "Yes." 

"When?" she asked.

('for pete's sake...') "Well, according to the nurse, who looked through that little stack of papers you have, it was in 2010." 

"Oh, so you're here because it is time for one." 

('...for pete's sake') "Yes." 

She said, "Are you on blood thinners?" 

('for pete's sake...') "My medication list is right on top there. I take atenolol and a statin." 

She left the room to go out and get the doctor.

The doctor came in and said, "So you're here to set up for a colonoscopy?"

I said, "You know, I'm just going to say it. I don't understand why this appointment was necessary. You have all that information in your little packet. Your office told me when my last colonoscopy was. My vitals were taken which are not different from my appointment a couple weeks back. You have my history. You have my drug list. You know why I am here. The last time this was done, I received a packet in the mail. I followed the instructions. That was that."

I just hate waste. The fact of it is that we have an over burdened medicare and I really did see this as an unnecessary appointment. 

"Well, let's get you set up then." 

And so I was escorted down the hall to wait for the scheduler. She set up my appointment for April 26th. She efficiently said, "Now. Let's get you set up for your post procedure visit..."

I said, "Excuse me?"

She said, "Two weeks after  your appointment you come back in again to find out the results."

I said, "If there's nothing found, I won't need that appontment. If there's something wrong, I'd expect to receive a call to come in for a follow up."

She looked at me. I said, "We're not scheduling a follow up  now."

She just looked at me. "Okaaaaaaaaaaay...." she said. 

"We'll just wait to see if it's necessary." 

I walked out of there a bit dumbfounded. That was a $300 consultation. Yes. Most of it will be paid for by insurance, but what a waste of taxpayer money, don't you think? 

So...A.I.T.A? 


48 comments:

  1. When I go for colonoscopy the office hands me some papers to fill out. At the top it says has anything changed since you were last here? Check yes or no. I check no and give the papers back. The papers are already filled in when she gives them to me. I just run over the answers and sign.

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  2. If you are on Medicare, this is Medicare fraud, period, full stop. And NO, you are not the a**hole!

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  3. Good Grief! I agree that this is full-blown Medicare Fraud!! You are not the A..H.... This practice were you were seen is!!

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  4. You are definitely not the asshole here. What a waste of time and money.

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  5. Absolutely and that is why the insurance issue is a complete fiasco. You should complain to Medicare about this nonsense. When I had mine, I called to schedule the appointment and they told me a nurse would contact me 2 weeks prior to the procedure to explain the process and she attached everything to MyChart so I was able to print them off. She also gave me a number that I could call 24/7 if I had questions or concerns. She also ordered the prescription for the lovely beverage packets and the jugs to mix them in. They informed me of what they found and said the lab results would be back in about a week. The results came on my MyChart and a written letter was received in the mail a couple of days later. I also had an EGD at the same time. Ranee (MN)

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    1. What I meant I agree it is an absolute waste of money. You are NOT the a$$whole. Ranee

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  6. NTA - if I drove that far for the appointment, I would skip the test. I have less and less tolerance for medical appointments these days!

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    1. No, no, I want to make it clear that I was at my son's house on the other side of the state. I drove home Monday to make this appointment. The doctor is in my town.

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  7. NTA. Something went very wrong in that office.

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  8. Somebody is an A$$hole and you are NOT the one! Ridiculous episodes like this direct money where it shouldn't go, thus depleting what is available for where it SHOULD go! This reminds me of a similar ripoff I encountered a few years ago. I was taking my husband, who was suffering with several issues, to a specialist to deal with his pain.
    It worked out that his primary care doc was in an adjoining practice. Shared front office. Well, for many months, the pain doc handled my husband's three prescriptions. Then, one day, we were told that from then on, he would need to get his primary doc to prescribe one of the meds. No reason on earth for that to be necessary-------BUT!------that meant that every single time we would go to the pain doc, we would be required to see the primary care doc also. So Medicare would have to pay for two office visits instead of one! Pain doc was irreplaceable, so we had to put up with it.

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  9. This was a very smart rant. There are too many dumb obvious questions asked. More people should let them know that some of the things they do are close to useless.

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  10. My sister had a bicycle accident and broke right arm and leg. She went to emergency and they told her to follow up within 3 days. She has Medicare so she HAD to be referred by her doc. The doc wouldn’t refer without seeing her even with X-rays and recommendations. Only she couldn’t see her for 8 days. Refused to make any allowances.

    There was a non prof that advocates for the elderly. They were called and she got into an ortho a day later. Needless to say she never went back to her primary who was definitely defrauding Medicare.

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    1. Linda, that is awful, and thanks for letting us know. Now gotta research an advocate in my area…. Olivia

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  11. YOU are NOT the a**hole. This may well be Medicare fraud and you should report this particular practice and your experience to Medicare.

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  12. I think this is more of a WTF situation. This proctology place is Assinine. Thanks spellcheck, but look at the context. 😊

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    1. Do you suppose they had their heads in their...well...

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  13. Yep, Anvilcloud got the correct description. You ran into several very tinee, tiny Aholes. (We call them Asshats in my family.) The poor student doesn't know and was just practicing; he can't choose which clinics to rotate through. That is a very poorly run office, which can ruin things for patients. I'd change GI docs. If you have a Medicare Advantage plan it's very easy to put easy bits of money into several docs offices. You could complain at the Medicare fraud line. I'd be of more concern that any doc putting up with that front office stuff may not be a good doc! Yikes! Docs only make generally half on Medicare patients from others. My results are photographed and given to me right as I wake from procedure. No need for another appointment unless something serious would be the next step. Would you want to go through that again if there's a next step? Can't you get one closer to home? Bummer. (Disclaimer: I'm an RN who's had colonoscopies every 3 years, until now; I can wait 5 years!) Linda in Kansas, too cold for colonoscopies.

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    1. There are two doctors working there. I don't know how much attention they pay to the front office. I stood there for a couple minutes while I waited for them to quit rolling their eyes and complaining about the person who assembled my 'package'.

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  14. You are definitely NTA. Wonder if it’d be worth finding a diff practice, ask them a few Qs like how many appts are required for a colonoscopy, and just abandoning these particular bozos? Also, fwiw, I’ve been doing regular poop tests instead of the colonoscopy — At least some experts seem to think it’s good enough, unless you have history/ are high risk…. Far less unpleasant, risky, and inconvenient….

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    1. There is not a lot of options in this town. I think from now on, I will be more mindful of avoiding the hospital.

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  15. Definitely sounds like a money-spinner

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  16. Waste of everyone's time and money. They sound like jobsworths or perhaps they're all in training!

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  17. Not at all. It might be a little unfortunate that the medical student got caught in the verbal crossfire, but this DOES sound like a very inefficient way to handle things. (And I guess medical students need to know how to deal with frustrated patients!) I wonder if there are legal requirements, or maybe rules related to malpractice insurance, that force them to do this stuff face-to-face.

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    1. Or, as Jim mentioned above, it's a way to spin out a single procedure over three appointments to bilk Medicare.

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    2. It wasn't frustration. It was just a matter of fact 'why is this appointment necessary?' It was silliness. In my opinion, the doctor's response was directed at the student. "I believe it is important to look at the belly for symetry. Most doctors don't do that. I think it is important. She looked at my belly and it was done. At that point, I really do feel that it was her attempt to try to validate the appointment. Do not get me wrong. She was a very nice person, but I think that this is something that the hospital is behind. She has an office with another doctor at the hospital. You sign a paper when you are being registered stating that their charges will be separate from the hospital charges. You will also recieve a separate bill from the anathesiologist. You will need an EKG (which is another department). You will need labwork. I think teasing apart the procedure like this allows for a bigger bill.

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  18. You are definitely not the A here! I am in the UK and we are always being told that our NHS system is in crisis, underfunded, understaffed etc etc etc, yet what you describe is all to familiar with me from taking elderly relatives to appointments. It is infuriating and must also infuriate those who are in the system and trying to do their best.

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  19. I'm of that age and have my annual checkup next month. I'm not looking forward to this procedure, nor the consultation/follow up appointments if they make me do those too.

    I don't think you were the AITA in this situation though you did get frustrated and at least the doctor handled the frustration well, as trained. My guess for why the preconsultation is necessary is due to a lost lawsuit against your particular insurance company. Someone, either a medical staff member or a patient, got their wires crossed and got a colonoscopy that shouldn't have been done that caused issues and then sued. The easiest solution for large entities in this situation is to just add more checks, i.e. consultations. I'm sure the doctor hates these preconsultations just as much as the patients because they don't get paid much for them compared to what they would get paid for a patient with a complex medical situation.

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    1. That appointment does not in any way guarantee that when I go for that colonscopy (nearly 3 months from now) that the wrong procedure will not happen. I also want to make it perfectly clear that I asked a very specific question about the purpose of the visit. I believe it was warranted. I did not get any kind of answer. I was not rude. I can't abide public 'tantrums'. If the appointment was warranted, she should have been able to provide a reason for it.

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  20. I’ve been finding that getting medical care has become increasingly like talking to a stereotypical used-car salesman — they’re always trying to sell us things of dubious value that we don’t need at inflated prices. Annoying.

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    1. That is an apt analogy. I have noticed quite a change since we switched to medicare.

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  21. You are NOT the ass&@le. I had a colonoscopy last month which was set up by my pcp. I didn't see the surgeon until 10 minutes before the procedure. Got the instruction packet via email two weeks before. Got a phone call from the surgeon five days after saying he removed two polyps, they were not cancer, so he'll see me in 5 years. Done and dusted. Like you, I hate wasting time and money. That doctor of yours is doing both and also like you, I wouldn't put up with it.

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    1. There is no reason that things should not work that way in my mind.

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  22. To my cynical mind that sounds like just an excuse to rip people off and make money.

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  23. I felt a strange bump on my back so went to my GP to get her to have a look. Turns out it is skin cancer, so she takes biopsies to send out. She tells me most GPs don’t do them because as she put it, they get paid shit to do them. So that saved me a trip elsewhere. Next i have to go back to her to have stitches removed and then she will get me an appointment with a plastic surgeon to have the lumps removed. Not too bad I think.. I am in Canada. You are not the ass!

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    1. It seems as if the focus is on profit not patient care.

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  24. You are not the asshole, Debby. I had the same issue when I tried to schedule my colonoscopy which is this coming Monday. (ugh) Because I am on a blood thinner now, they said I needed that pre-appointment but I had a letter from my cardiologist saying I was cleared for the procedure so I said I could send it to them but they said no, I had to come in and bring the letter to the appointment. A total waste of time and money. Just like yours.

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    1. That is frustrating. Surely it could be dropped off with the receptionist. No need for an appointment, as far as I can tell.

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  25. You are SO NTA. How frustrating that this is the difference between how private insurance and Medicare patients are treated. And what a waste of medical time. And for Linda Dev above whose relative was denied a prompt ortho visit, yow! Olivia

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  26. Same here. They pass you from one doctor to the next who goes through all the same questions.

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  27. Not an ahole. I am of a similar age to you and we have just simply had enough nonsense in our lifetimes and call it out when we see it.

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  28. Oh.my. God. I would have walked out, honestly. What bs. It sounds like it's all a scam to milk Medicare. Pretty easy to see where all the aholes are in this story, and you aren't one of them.

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  29. Are you a candidate for Cologuard, the home kit? My doc now recommends this to his patients unless there's a history. Boy, this sure beats a colonoscopy any day. My insurance paid for the whole thing. Basically, poop in a box and FedEx it. One and done.
    Paranormal John

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  30. Good gosh! This is totally nuts! For my last colonoscopy, they had me just pick up the necessary solution to clean out the system. As I was recuperating from the procedure, they came in and told me the results right then and there and told me to come back in 3 years. I was hoping for 10, but they found a little polyp. Did not need to go back for another appointment. What you went through was silly.

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