Tim and I have been thinking a lot about the boy who broke out our window. The fact that he showed up in court by himself. That sad post to his father who did not call him on his birthday. It seems as if the boy was in a pretty rough spot.
I put a call in to the Victim Advocates Office last Friday. I think the courthouse was actually closed due to weather. She called back Monday morning, and I talked with her. I told her that his situation bothered us. One thing that she clarified for us is that his parents were not there because although he was a juvenile when he committed this offense, he turned 18 before the hearing. His parents did not have to accompany him to court.
But still...it just seems like a parent would like to stay on top of a situation like that.
I told her that we'd been thinking that perhaps it would be possible to wipe the slate clean here by offering to allow him to work with us for a month of Saturdays, but we were uncertain about it. We do not know his background.
She seized on that enthusiastically. The judge has not set a date for his disposition yet. She said that we had every right to come to that. She said that she loved that we could see beyond the idea of his punishment to the idea of giving him a fresh start. She said, "I'll get a date for his disposition and then call you with this."
I said, "Well, Tim and I would need to talk, but the thing is, there's a lot we don't know about this kid. I don't want to put you in a position to violate his privacy but we do have a couple questions. It would appear that this kid has been in trouble before."
She said, "Yes."
My next question was, "Are any of these offenses violent?"
She said yes, that his record involved two assaults.
Deep breath. "The next thing that we are concerned about is drug use. He told the judge flat out that he'd used marijuana within two day prior to his court proceeding." I explained that I had smoked pot for a while as a kid, but that it was something that I'd outgrown, so it wasn't exactly that I was holding this against him. We were mostly concerned because to have a young man like this working on our property involves being able to trust him. People with a drug history will steal stuff to finance their habit.
She said, "Yes." She thought about it. "We could talk to the judge about mandatory drug testing."
The thing is, that might show that he's clean while he's working with us. If he reverts to his old habits when he's done, he knows the house. He knows about the tools inside. He knows how to get in.
I said, "Well. Get the disposition date. Let Tim and me discuss it. I don't think we can offer him work at a house, but maybe we can come up with something."
Tim came home about then. He agrees that having him at a work site is not a good idea.
We both sat in silence pondering the situation. We both feel moved to intervene. I suppose the first thing to do is to go to the disposition and speak with the boy to find out his thinking and what he wants to do. We would also have a chance to talk with the judge and find out what is even possible to do.
Have you guys got any ideas? Have you ever heard of a creative, positive way to handle something like this?
Some cities have "Victim - Offender Reconciliation" programs that have clearly defined rules so the offender can see how his/her actions affected their victims and what the offender needs to do to make restitution. Perhaps you can learn more about this on-line.
ReplyDeleteWishing you well and Merry Christmas!
I hope you have a merry Christmas as well. I think that we'd learn about what is available out there by making that first step: being present at his disposition.
DeleteTricky… you’re wise to prioritize your own safety. Is there any established youth/youthful offender mentoring program in your community? That probably involves a long-term commitment, though, which would be… a commitment. And unfortunately probably what this kid needs, but it’s… a commitment. Hard….
ReplyDeleteFinding out his interests is a good start. Maybe he likes animals, for example, and could volunteer for community service at an animal shelter or something, but I’m not sure how you’d fit into that picture.
Thinking out loud here; maybe it’ll trigger something more useful in somebody else’s head!
We don't really even need to fit into the picture, actually. I don't mind making a commitment. I don't think Tim does either. Once a week, or a couple times a month for the long term is something that could be done. We cannot make a daily commitment for months. Interestingly, the local animal shelter was an idea that I had as well.
DeleteIn England there are various Government approved youth offender programmes to address such situations ....
ReplyDeleteThey encourage pro-social attitudes and goals for the future and are designed to help people develop new skills to stop their offending. These include:
problem solving
perspective taking
managing relationships
self-management
Offending behaviour programmes often use cognitive-behavioural techniques. There is good international evidence that these are most effective in reducing reoffending.
There are different projects involving work in the community, helping elderly or disabled, disadvantaged or similar groups.
I don't know if you have any similar schemes there?
I've have no experience in this area, but this sounds like something the kid could benefit from. He seems to be sort of 'stuck' at this point.
DeleteI think the big thing here is that you are willing to speak up for this kid, which is fantastic. I can fully understand you not wanting him with access to your property, which would be putting temptation in his way and might be counter-productive. Perhaps there are other options available that the judge might be able to suggest.
ReplyDeleteI never really gave it a thought until you said it. "Speaking up for this kid" is the start. We go to the disposition, and state our desire that we're less concerned about restitution (which is unlikely, given that he's still in high school) and more interested in seeing him change his life. That will open up a discussion.
DeletePerfect! approach "more interested in seeing him change his life." Thanks for this great example to all of us.
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I really like your thinking process of giving him a chance. What is the worst that he could do in your house that has little of your personal possessions inside? Meet him for a chat on his comfortable ground and then trust your instincts. You've been around a bit (sorry). You'll know. It could be a great thing you do for him.
ReplyDeleteOh Andrew. That house is full of tools. The sort of thing that are easily picked up and taken off to be sold on some facebook site. It has actually happened to us twice. One man was compulsively neat, picking up all the tools, moving things to sweep, etc. It wasn't too long before Tim realized that moving these things all around was covering up the fact that he was stealing tools.
DeleteI will forgive you for the 'been around a bit' comment, since we are the same age!
You are at least trying to do the right thing. There should be some mechanism that isn't personal.
ReplyDeleteI think that we have an opportunity to kind of nudge the disposition in that direction.
DeleteWhat if you went with him to do volunteer work at your local food bank ?
ReplyDeleteWe live in a small town. We don't really have a food bank, but you have given me an idea...
DeleteIt is a conundrum. You wish to help but cannot risk your security. I hope you find an answer.
ReplyDeleteEvery problem has a solution though.
DeleteI'd like to think about this a bit today and then comment again later. This is such a good thing you're pondering, Debby.
ReplyDeleteI suppose wanting to make a difference and being able to make a difference are two different things, but it doesn't stop us from wishing that we could.
DeleteAlthough with snow on the ground, it really isn't necessary but come spring/summer, perhaps a lawn maintenance or landscaping job outside where you can keep him outside and hand out tools as needed, locking them back up inside at the end of the day.
ReplyDeleteI really like your thinking though of teaching versus punishment.
It will be something to think about. As others have alluded, there may be systems in place to do just what we are thinking should be done.
DeleteDebby, you never know how one act of kindness can affect someone who is in a bad place; I admire you and Tim for wanting to help this young man, rather than see him merely punished. I think I would ask more about his home life, too, if it was allowed. If the child/adult has been abused or neglected, for sure he suffers from trauma, and counseling would be the thing I would try to arrange. Childhood trauma is the root of so many dysfunctional behaviors, and healing it has a beautiful domino effect on lives. I am speaking from my own experience. It's not why the bad behavior, but why the pain?
ReplyDeleteI think that he has certainly been neglected, reading between the lines. I mean, I still can't get over the fact that no parent came with him to court. It just seems that if a parent had any real interest in the child's future, s/he'd have been there. The parent is in the best position to shape that child's future. But there have been multiple brushes with the law. Someone wasn't paying attention to this kid at all.
DeleteI suggest helping another agency help him. It's pretty risky to have him in your lives. A commitment around your projects stretched into months leaves many gaps for him to continue his known ways. Assault history is enough to keep your distance. He needs serious counseling for long-time challenges. Sorry, I've seen this merry-go-round too much in my nursing career. Linda in Kansas
ReplyDeleteDon't apologize. We have come to much the same conclusion...but that's a cool thought...help another agency help him.
DeleteIt is a good thing to think over..and maybe you have given the system a nudge in the right direction. It doesn't have to be you doing this.
ReplyDeleteBut if he learns that people are willing to work with him, that it will be a two way giving, it could be the thing end of the wedge to something better. He doesn't even have to know who it was suggested this.
It might be that we are not the people to make the difference, and I'm okay with that too.
DeleteI think your reaction is very compassionate, and I hope I could do the same if I was in your situation. I think it would do far more good for the young man, to work off his punishment, rather than just punishment. I have no ideas how to get him to do the work and keep you guys safe, but meeting him seems like a good idea.
ReplyDeleteIf he is not willing to work, sadly, there is not a lot of rehabilitation to be done there. I think the very first step of rehabilitation is that the person makes the connection that they can change their future if they are willing to put forth the effort.
DeleteI admire your desire to try and help the young man, but please step carefully. Similar circumstances for us going back 17 years. We were rewarded by our attempts to help a troubled youth by him breaking into one of our renovated homes that was listed for sale and him setting it on fire. Why? We'll never know. He was a minor at the time and the son of a cop. Never prosecuted nor held to account for the arson. He's currently in prison. By all means help if you possibly can, but keep yourself safe.
ReplyDeleteNo. We wouldn't step at all if we have doubts. That's sad though about your young man. I wonder if after all these years later, his cop father feels any responsibility for not allowing him to face the consequences of his own behavior early on? His protection was enabling.
DeleteYes, was furious for SO many years about the whole situation, but have finally learned to let it go. However, there can be an occasional moment where I sincerely ponder how he's doing and if he's getting the help he needs.
DeleteGood hearts, you two.
ReplyDeleteIt's one of those things that you see a lot of here. Kids left too much on their own, getting into trouble because there is no one there telling them they shouldn't do that. This kid has shot himself in the foot. At 18 years old, there are a lot of things he's no longer qualified for, at least not right away.
DeleteBest of luck. I hope you encourage him to find a different path. I like the idea of community service rather than having him in your own properties.
ReplyDeleteWe do understand that we may not be the ones doing the saving. We're okay with that. If we attend the hearing, we can voice our feelings on it. Esp. now that he's 18, and considered an adult, the focus of the system seems to be more preoccupied with punishment and restitution, and I really don't think this will help him. Of course, rehabilitation may not help him either.
DeleteYou know, there is a lot to consider here. First off, for me, is the question of whether or not offering the boy/man a chance to work off rather than pay off his debt to you would be more meaningful to him? Would it change him in the least? Could one month of Saturdays undo any of the damage of his eighteen years? It is easy to romanticize things like this. On the other hand, it could possibly open his eyes to the idea that there are indeed other ways to live than to destroy out of anger or hopelessness. I don't know, Debby. I have ZERO answers. I think this is a situation that must be decided on and worked out between you, Tim, the judge, and the boy. Perhaps he could fulfill his punishment by working at some sort of public service situation. Habitat for Humanity or something in that vein. Sometime already set in place.
ReplyDeleteWe see that very plainly. We could not do something that puts us at risk. The system knows this young man x 11. So. I guess the thing to do is to signal our willingness that we would rather see him in a situation that focuses on rehabilitation rather than worrying about restitution. It is very sad to think of someone 18 years old as unsaveable though, isn't it?
DeleteHeart-rendingly so. And he's probably not but Lord only knows what would get him where he needs to be doing what he needs to do.
DeleteYou must be cautious. there's no way to get accurate data. The only thing the kid has going for him is that he is young.
ReplyDeleteWe would never put ourselves in a situation like that without thinking it through.
DeleteBased on what you've shared with us, Debby, it seems to me that adults have failed this young man at a time when he needed building up. (I know the military has turned kids around, but I, myself, don't like the idea of angry young men who now know how to handle weapons.) Is he on track to graduate? Maybe tutoring, whether it's an existing program or you and Tim (and others?) meeting with him consistently over a burger and fries or pizza, that sets him up to graduate and get a first job, first apartment, or some life skills. I know Tim's a do-er rather than a talker, so this might not suit you both. I was envisioning a group of community members who shepherded him through how the world works. Admittedly, I'm an idealist...
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I had another thought: his behavior and drug use may be masking depression or other mental/physical health issues. Is there someone via the court who could help him address/overcome those?
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I'm quite sure that he needs some sort of counselling. Unfortunately, the mental health system here seems way more focused on getting the medication dosage right than they are to help the person examine the roots of his depression.
DeleteIt's an age old solution, but would military service help? He needs direction, but you hate to see him at the mercy of bad drill sergeant. I don't know, I applaud your willingness to do something.
ReplyDeleteI don't know if they do that anymore. It is one of those things that we'll have to be very clear on what we can and can't do. Tim and I are pretty much in agreement on things, but we both think it is important to speak with the judge and to make sure that he understands we are willing to waive restitution in hopes that he's willing to try a new way. I'm not sure what we can do, but we can make our feelings known on it.
DeleteI feel for this kid, the fact that his parents didn't come to court (even though they "didn't have to because he was 18") speaks volumes. Having said that it would be a good thing if he was offered a choice of some form of service as opposed to incarceration. Like Allison said perhaps the military would be an option. I was a training officer as a new 2nd Lieutenant during the Viet Nam war, we had several young men who had been given a choice by a judge, enlist or jail. Some took the opportunity and did well, one didn't and ended up in Leavenworth. He's a a crossroads, he should be offered some form of help but ultimately it is up to him to decide which way to go, it's gonna be hard no matter what. You are wise to be cautious about exposing your lives to him. I wish him the best, I hope something can be done for him and he makes the right choice.
ReplyDeleteI guess that I'm kind of sour on that military solution. I remember being a woman in the military, and a lot of those guys who were 'given a choice' were just plain scary to be around. When I was stationed in Korea, I lived in a barracks that was 2 1/2 floors men, and 1/2 of the 3 floor was for women. It was not good.
DeleteSounds risky for you. But is there a voluntary organisation he could help with?
ReplyDeleteWe wouldn't put ourselves at risk, but I guess this is a good chance to find out what is out there.
DeleteYou are the best, Debby! Tim too!! Just considering an alternative sentencing for this kid to help him possibly get on a better path is awesome. I don't know if it will work out but I hope you got some good suggestions to help this young man out.
ReplyDeleteYou went with grateful Keanu!!!! YAY!!!!!
ReplyDeleteI work with an organisation who are the last resort for caring for youths whose parents have failed or are unable and there are no foster care options left. Unfortunately this group are also way over-represented in the youth justice system. I think that there definitely needs to be a lot more options between the slap on the wrists (which happens too often) and adult time (just been passed through our state parliament) and I do applaud when victims of crime have compassion but common sense. I do hope that there is a workable option in there for your young man.
ReplyDeleteWe can only make our wishes known. It would have been nice to be able to make a difference to this young man, but really based on the information that we have, it just would not be prudent. As Mary alludes to (below), his home situation doesn't seem like it is going to help. I think it is very cool that you work for an organization like that, though. I never knew that.
DeleteThis is a tough one. When my husband and I were much younger we volunteered with a juvenile court program similar to the Big Brother program. It was not a success as the teenage boy still lived with the same parents that enabled the behavior. Mom welcomed our time with him to have us babysit his younger siblings, too, which was not part of the program.
ReplyDeleteOur county has a program where at risk young people over 18 can be sentenced to public service. I'm not sure what this usually amounts to - picking up trash isn't exactly life changing, but the manager of our church at the time welcomed the help and really did make a difference in some lives. She would teach them building maintenance, handyman repairs and lawncare. She was strict with the young people and had zero tolerance for lateness, laziness and slackness. And would treat them to a fast food meal when they were done. I remember her sharing that one young man in his 20's learned to repair a window. He told her that no one had ever shown him how to do something like that before. He actually stopped back to work with her on Saturdays after serving his sentence. You had to be trained by the court and there was all sorts of paperwork with this.
My concern would be with safety, too. Even if he benefited, would he be willing to trade information about your tools, etc.
I appreciate your concerns and respect your apprehension.
We don't have the answers. We only have the pie in the sky ideal that restitution to us is not as important as seeing this young man get a chance. There's a guy who ran a construction business with the same sort of business model as you described. He is no longer alive, but I do see the sign advertising his business still out front.
DeleteHello - the approach you're thinking about is sometimes referred to as Restorative Justice. I have volunteered with Restorative Justice programs in two different states where I have lived and I applaud you for leaning in that direction. You can look online for some descriptions of what Restorative Justice hopes to attain, but it's basically looking to establish accountability, an understanding of the consequences of one's actions, and an attempt to repair harm. I have enjoyed reading your blog for some time now and, based on what you have written previously about the incident, I'm thinking that one of the things ("harms") that needs to be restored is your (and your husband's) trust. That certainly won't happen if you wind up getting further victimized by additional harms. So I add my voice to those who are cautioning against putting yourself at risk for more trouble. There are probably multiple community service options available - options such as others have suggested. But one of the most important aspects is for the young man to take responsibility. If he sidesteps or excuses or denies his role, then he's not really a good candidate for the kind of approach you're considering. If you do proceed, I would encourage you to really think about how this impacted you - what it did to your trust; how it made you feel about young people; how hard you work to save money for your projects; how you try to make the world a better place by helping others. Make it about more than a broken window because it is more than a broken window. And finally, I strongly suggest some sort of contract or method for you to receive a report that he has completed the service assigned (if that's the route you all wind up following). And, if he doesn't, then it's back to whatever justice would have awaited him without your kind intentions. I hope this has been helpful and, again, I really congratulate you for seeking a better solution. And thanks for your blog.
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We're pretty practical and have ruled out our initial ideas. I am off to read about Restorative Justice. On the surface of what you've said here, this fits the direction that we want to see this go. Without knowing a great deal of this young man's life, I can only say that it seems to us that he needs restorative justice every bit as much as his victims.
DeletePerhaps someone suggested this -- I haven't read all the responses -- but what if the judge sentences him to some charity work or something that wouldn't involve him coming onto your property and dealing with you directly? He still learns a lesson (hopefully) but doesn't get all up in your business. Community service, basically. And you could stipulate that upon completion you'd like to expunge his record or something like that? (Just brainstorming here.)
ReplyDeleteTalk to the Prosecutor, tell ‘em you want to talk to him through his attorney and tell your truth, then follow your gut.
ReplyDeleteYour heart is in the right place. Now to find that sweet spot between heart and common sense. Good luck.
ReplyDeleteYou guys have such kind hearts, Debby. I have to say that as older seniors, it would make me nervous.
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