Saturday, September 13, 2025

My last words

 A relative has cancer. He was diagnosed probably a bit over a year ago. We all stood talking one summer evening. He matter of factly said, "It has jumped the fence."

I never heard that phrase before, but what he was saying was that his cancer had spread. It was now in his brain and his bones. 

A few of you took umbrage at my last post, feeling that poor Charlie Kirk had been taken out of context. 

Perhaps. 

So, I will give you another chance. He told a 14 year old girl that she should spend her school years looking for a husband. That women should go to college for a 'Mrs degree'. What is the proper context for that?

Ah...I see. She asked his opinion at an event. He was merely posed a question. He simply answered it in accordance to his own beliefs and faith. 

So, what about his thoughts on the whole Taylor Swift/Travis Kelce engagement. He called for her to become more conservative, to submit to her husband, to have more children than houses, that being a 35 year old unmarried woman made her a bad role model for young girls.

Pretty sure his opinion wasn't requested by the either of the two of them. 

He had lots of opinions, on black people "who stepped into white roles",  MAGA. On abortion. About Muslims. About immigration. He claimed democrats hated America.

Those are his opinions.  Like my sister says: "Opinions are like hiney holes. Everybody has one." It is important to see that his comments are opinions, not fact, and no matter what topic he spoke on, when you look at it closely, it falls apart. A lot of it isn't even biblically supported. Scientifically supported.

Is a person who believes Israel is behaving badly a terrorist who hates America and needs to be deported? Do you believe in the great replacement theory? Do you believe that abortion and women's rights brought about Auschwitz? 

I could go on and on. 

Let me say that he had, in effect, 'jumped the fence'. He was no longer a simple man living his own faith. He was demanding, like MAGA, that all of us live according to his faith as well. Over and over again, you can see that people who say, 'Yeah, but...' are painted as the enemy.

Years ago, there were the 'great translators', the fine folk who took trump's word salad and tried to make it sound sensible. That's exactly what people are doing now with Charlie Kirk. Some people believe that we must strive to put his words in context, we have to see the big picture, etc.

Do we, though?

Should we, though?

Isn't that exactly how MAGA grows? We white wash what they are saying until it becomes something that we can stomach. Meanwhile, the country moves closer and closer to true fascism.

No. I am not interested in trying to understand. Ignoring the big picture is exactly what brought us to the point we are at today. 


LATE EDIT: FROM HERE ON, THIS IS SOMEONE ELSE'S STORY

Adding to my last words with someone else's: 

One thing that has become really clear since yesterday is that we live in at least two different realities. Talking to a friend who only knew Charlie as a Christian motivational speaker because that's all that ever came across her feed. Showed me videos I've never seen before of him saying perfectly reasonable and empowering things. 


I showed her videos she'd never seen before of his racism, misogyny, homophobia, advocating for violence against specific groups of people. She was horrified by his remarks about Pelosi's husband's attacker being bailed out and celebrated for his violent act. She was horrified by a number of things that he said, but she had never seen or heard them before, the same as I had never seen or heard the generalized clips of him sounding like a perfectly nice loving man and father.


Neither of us had a whole picture of this man. I mentioned he was a known white supremacist and she thought I was joking. She talked about him giving a speech about finding your purpose and doing good in the world and I thought she was joking.


I saw why this friend was mourning the loss of a person she thought was a good person. My friend, bless her, saw why I feel the way I do about him. We understood each other better. In spite of a multi-billion dollar internet machine specifically focused on keeping us apart. Because we talked to each other with the desire to listen and to learn rather than the desire to change someone else's mind or to be "right".


None of those motivational things he said change my opinion about him because they don't erase the negativity, the subtle calls for violence, the belittling and denigrating of other races religions genders etc. His negative and blaming comments about homeless people, the poor, and victims of domestic violence. His comments about rounding up people who didn't think like him and putting them in camps where their behavior could be corrected. That time he said empathy was a made-up word he didn't believe in. That other time he said the Civil Rights Act was a mistake. The time he said most people are afraid when they get on a plane and see that there's a black pilot. His anti-vaccination rhetoric and his active campaigning against people being allowed to wear masks for their own health. His open support of fascism and white supremacy. To me, all of those are fully unchristian sentiments. Those are undeniable and just one of them would be a deal-breaker for me. All of them together are a picture of a man who was polarizing, enraged a lot of people and rightly so, but even with all of that I would never wish upon him or especially his children the end that he got.


Oh, and my friend had never heard, and God help me I don't know how she escaped the news, but she had never heard of the Minnesota legislators who were shot in June. The husband and wife and dog who were killed, one after throwing themselves over their child to protect the child. The other couple who somehow survived. Politically motivated attacks specifically because they were democrats. She learned about those shootings that happened months ago because I showed her Charlie Kirk's comments about them. The kidnapping plot against a female Midwestern Democratic governor. The assassination attempt against Pennsylvania's democratic governor. All things Charlie had plenty to say about while supporting the Second Amendment and bashing the Democratic party. She didn't know about any of it because we're all living in two different worlds and none of us have the whole story.





38 comments:

  1. Yes, it's sad that anyone is killed, but it's still appropriate to quote his own words. There's no agreeing to disagree here. He wanted to remove other people's lives and rights. Human rights are not up for debate.

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  2. I don't believe that violence is the answer to anything, however, violence has been the very thing that fascists use to further their plans. (Um, Ice? Hello?) A quick look back into not-so-distant history is all anyone needs to be able to see who suffers the most from a maniac's beliefs. (opinions) History IS repeating itself.

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    1. Violence is never the answer. I agree with that. The point I was trying to make is that he was intentionally divisive, another tool of the fascists. It is interesting to see people justifying some of his words, while ignoring the big picture.

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  3. People shouldn’t be shot for their beliefs, but they should not be venerated just because they were.

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    1. I live in very red area. A candlelight vigil is being held for him tonight. People are speaking of him as if he is a martyr. That is wrong.

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  4. Reading about what is happening over there right now immediately put me in mind of this article I had read quite some time ago....

    https://www.historyextra.com/period/roman/violence-rebellion-and-sexual-exploitation-the-darker-side-of-ancient-rome/

    It all seems quite horribly familiar.
    That didn't end too well, either.

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  5. Our world is in a strange state, so many things happening all over, those with loudest voices are not saying anything sensible, whilst we all hold our breath and hope.

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    1. "The loudest voices not saying anything"...that is well phrased and paints quite a picture in my mind.

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  6. Charlie Kirk said that some people will die because of the 2nd amendment and he was right, one of the few things he was right about sadly. I don't believe one should be murdered for their opinions, but that was a risk he was willing to take to defend the 2nd amendment.

    He was racist, sexist, hypocrit, just because he's dead and he died young, that doesn't change what he was.

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    1. You are correct. It shouldn't. But it seems to be doing just that.

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  7. Yep. Every word of this post says exactly what I think. Thanks, Debby.

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    1. Oh Susanna. I have gotten so behind on blog reading...but don't you cry for me! I will be along shortly. Sans the banjo on my knee.

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  8. You and Steve Reed both have thought-provoking blogs this morning! Personally, I agree with you more than I agree with Steve!

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    1. Had to run right over to Steve's place! Thanks for the heads up.

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  9. Clearly argued, Debby. How often are we not given both sides of a story? We are too ready to accept blindly what we are told, balanced or not.

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    1. Here, it seems to be a conscious disregard for any part of a story which does not fit the narrative.

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  10. I agree with you entirely here. Why should we have empathy for him when he blamed empathy on so many problems? As I said on Steve's blog this morning, the shooting should not have happened but I am not sorry he's dead. There. Say what you will about me. I don't claim to be a Christian anyway.
    And you are absolutely right about whitewashing the crap that came out of his mouth. I have a hard time believing that anyone with half a brain and access to the internet could not know about Kirk's spewing of hatred, his racism, his misogyny, his beliefs about anyone not white, Christian, and male. I'm sorry but I do not understand how that could happen.

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    1. Algorithms...what you click on determines your feed.

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  11. Agree. I've known some folks who don't watch any news, or only pure, reassuring Christian stations or movies. I was sending a relative a care package at FedEx yesterday, since they have to return to work at CDC offices. The clerk had not heard anything about the CDC attack... Sigh. Linda in Kansas

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    1. I am a little shocked to say I had not either. We don't have television, haven't for a couple months. I read the news. not sure how I missed it. Horrifying.

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  12. Excellent post. Glad you were able to enlighten your friend.

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    1. That part was not my words, Marcia. It was someone else's experience, which I believe brings something very important to light.

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  13. I had no idea that there were videos and information filtered and altered to make people like Kirk look like good Christians! That explains so much to me. You are so right! We don't have the full picture on both sides. But we obviously have a bigger picture when we know about so many of the horrible events you mentioned and she had never even heard of them. Honestly, I sat here and cried for the people who have never heard the other side or the entire picture and believed with good intentions what little good things they were told. I'm sure dear leader has been highly filtered, explained, and altered, too.

    In the strangest way this gives me more hope than I have had in a long time. Eventually Trump's dark reality will spread so far as to not be able to be hidden or disguised. Many good, uninformed people will be finding out what is really happening. They will truly be shocked to see it showing up at their doorsteps and in their neighborhoods. Now I understand better why so many people have followed him and people like Kirk...likely casually on places like Facebook, you know. Where the hear so little of what is actually going on and get a partial filtered picture that looks better than reality.

    I have always believed in the goodness of human beings. This has been an affirmation.

    Thank you so very much, Debby. I hope you and your friend have many many more good conversations.

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    1. You know, before trump 1.0, I had a friend, staunch republican. She was hugely anti-obama, very vocal. I challenged her via instant message, citing the sources for my opinion. It was interesting because it did open a door. Because the exchange was via written word, emotion was side stepped. All these years later, she is of a very different mindset. She is one of my moderators for a political website.

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  14. Our internet "silos," which reinforce our beliefs with echo-chamber content, are part of the problem when it comes to people like Charlie Kirk. None of us have the full picture, because we so often only see half of it.

    All of that aside, I don't think we have to agree or like or even tolerate what Charlie Kirk said. But I do think we have to not HATE him, or the people who follow him. The hatred is the poison.

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    1. I don't hate him. It is just that I have no interest in trying to put him into 'proper context', especially when it involves turning a blind eye to his more controversial and inflammatory rhetoric. I prefer to view him without the white wash.

      And I agree 100% about social media.

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  15. One of (the many) things that disgusts me is the lack of veneration for the police officer killed in the line of duty during the CDC shootings. He was Black, so no surprise there. He was doing his job, doing good work and the country ignores him. Charlie Kirk gets an honor guard, a ride on AF2, and there is talk of lying in state in the Capitol. The wrong people get the attention and respect.

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  16. Excellent post Debby, making it abundantly clear that we are a nation divided, divided into tribes so polarized that there is little chance we will ever unite. But make no mistake, Kirk was a charlatan, a con man, and spent years denigrating anyone he disagreed with, to the point of fomenting violence against those people. Fitting that he met his end in the way he did.

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  17. This is a powerful, thoughtful message. Thank you for sharing the truth, and letting people know the other side of Charlie Kirk. His message was one of racial hate, misogyny, and division. I had the same discussion with a work colleague about him, and am going to send him a link to this blog, because you present the facts so well about the “ two sides” of Charlie. I do not believe in violence, however, he should not be mourned as a hero … rather remembered as “What is wrong with America” today. Many lessons to be learned here. Cali

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  18. My state is voting on a resolution honoring him. He has nothing to do with my state. Our state university is having a moment of silence before the football game.
    This shows me that my state is mourning a person who spouted bigotry, misogyny, racial superiority and unlimited possession of firearms. His "debates" encouraged bullying and jeering from crowds of volatile young men. And this is what my state politicians want to be a role model.

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  19. I find it galling that he is getting all these honors and that he state senator and her husband, not to mention all the children lost to gun violence get nothing, no flags at half mast, no words from the president, no nothing.

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  20. Thank you for this, Debby. You know how I feel so I don't have to tell you again. I'm still ticked about giving him the Medal of Freedom and flying flags at half mast. Our country is in a sad state.

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My last words

 A relative has cancer. He was diagnosed probably a bit over a year ago. We all stood talking one summer evening. He matter of factly said, ...