Sunday, January 9, 2011

Think about It.

You've got some of Tea Party extremists and Sarah Palin throwing around the word 'revolution' like it's nothing.

I just want to say, for all you who believe this country needs a revolution, take a look at yesterday's shootings in Arizona. If that makes you as sick as it makes me, well, maybe, just maybe, this country doesn't NEED a revolution after all. Maybe, just maybe, there's a better way to do things. Next time you hear someone calling for a revolution, think for a moment on what that really means. Would you really like to see Arizona's violence breaking out all over your country? Because that's what a revolution is, people: Violent overthrow of your government. People die. Innocent people too. The next time you hear someone calling for a revolution, take a moment to remember Arizona.

Late Edit: interesting link for 'anonymous'. Just saying.


Paula said...

A serious thing to ponder. Thanks.

WhiteStone said...

Absolutely agree. Actions follow words. Violent actions follow violent words.

quid said...

Don't know that the shooter was influenced by the tea party. Don't know a lot right now. Do know that I have been very uneasy as the violent level of rhetoric has grown in the country, following the 2008 election and in the depths of this recession.

America, in general, more than most cultures around the world ... does condone violence. And so we have these tragedies.



Bob said...

Love you Debby and I'm no Tea Party or Palin supporter, but with all due respect, not really fair to associate them with what happened in AZ. As Quid eloquently points out, there IS a " violent level of rhetoric" in this country and it is NOT exclusive to any political persuasion. Because there is a First Amendment that protects our right to speech and assembly, there is always the possibility that crazies will speak and assemble too, and always the chance of something like this happening, just as it did at the Ford Theater and in the motorcade in Dallas.

Tragic beyond belief but one of the risks of a free society. Presidents Lincoln and Kennedy would both, I believe, say it's worth the risk. So would the lovely Congresswoman from AZ whose recovery we are praying for.

Those of every ilk who love and value freedom should continue to defend it in a PEACEFUL way.

Along those lines, we should all be watching Southern Sudan this week as they vote on the referendum to separate themselves from the North and possibly form a society where they are safe and free from the atrocities that have so long haunted them.

Debby said...

I am not saying that the Tea Party or Sarah Palin played a role in the tragic events in Arizona. What I AM saying is that in a revolution, things like this will happen. A lot. I am asking everyone that blithely talks about 'revolution' to consider the ugliness of their words.

Mikey said...

Dare I say it? I think it's already starting.
I'm more than a little scared to go anywhere anymore.

BUSH BABE said...

Cut it out America! How on earth am I to talk my husband into visiting you, with THIS kind of carry on?
Slightly Freaked Out Aussie

Debby said...

Anonymous? You don't identify yourself, you don't get to speak.

Debby said...

Hey, I'm moderating comments for the time being. Don't hesitate to comment, but if you don't identify yourself, you don't get airspace.

Anonymous said...

Dee from Tennessee

Agree 100% with your post.

A Novel Woman said...

Here here! I hate wading into political discussions but sometimes I can't help myself. What is happening to our closest friends and neighbours is kind of freaking us out here in Canada. The polarization reminds us of the Civil War. And if you go down, WE go down.

A lot of people, both here and in the U.S., DO believe the Tea Party and Sarah Palin played a role in this. They posted the names of congressmen/women and their locations using the crosshairs on a rifle as identifying markers and said things like, "Don't retreat, reload." Not once, not off the cuff. These statements appeared on websites, on Twitter, in speeches...repeatedly, and in a volatile political climate. Should they be held accountable? At what point does this turn into inciting hatred? We do have laws against that in Canada. (I also wonder how much antisemitism and her pro-choice stance had to do with the vitriol directed towards her, but that's a whole other discussion methinks.)

Hey, Bush Babe, don't be alarmed. Just don't visit Alaska during hunting season. (wink)

Reb said...

I live in Tucson. I am registered Republican. Can't stand Sarah Palin and think that she is the worst thing that has happened to the Republican party in decades. That said, I honestly don't think this shooting is at all connected to her or politics in general. This man is mentally ill. If he hadn't fixated on Gabby Giffords, he would have fixated on someone else. More than being a symptom of a sick political system (which I do not argue with) I think he is a symptom of our sick mental health system. I'm betting that over time we will find out that his family, friends and schools had tried unsuccessfully to get him mental health care. This has been such a tragedy on so many levels that I hate to see it used as another political club to beat each other up with-not saying that's what YOU are doing....just reporting what I've seen happening on both a local and national level today.

Anonymous said...

It amazes me that the politicians and talking heads are surpised when something happens as a reult of what they say. Their answer is that they didn't think it would have that effect on people (or, in this horrible case, one person.)


steviewren said...

How is the conservative blame game different from the liberal one?

Do you think because you haven't put a target on someone literally, then you aren't guilty of the same? I see a lot of inflammatory ammunition being thrown around here.

Just think about that for a minute please.

In my opinion, conservatives and liberals are just as guilty of condemning one another. We are supposed to oppose ideas and ideals, not one another.

Debby said...

Stevie: I agree with you that no politician should be using rhetoric like that. I am not dividing things up into left and right. I am saying that kind of talk is wrong. This is a woman who has been targeted by the two groups I began with. If you wish to provide links to other inappropriate political commentaries on the 'left', you send them to me, and I will post them. All speech like this is wrong. All of it. It doesn't matter whose mouth is uttering the words.

Debby said...

You know, Stevie, don't be offended, because I really do believe that you are a funny and intelligent woman, but yes, I do believe that literally putting a target on someone is far worse than making a comment which someone might feel 'targets' them. Placing a gun sight on anyone is wrong. It's just wrong. Whether you're a politician or Joe Citizen. I did not incite 'left' or 'right'. It's wrong. I believe that strongly. I'd still believe that it was wrong if a democrat had done this, and I'd admit it too. Protecting and/or justifying that behavior doesn't make sense to me.

Bob said...

In 2008, speaking to a group of Democratic fundraisers in Philadelphia, Candidate Barack Obama, speaking of Republicans, said, "If they bring a knife to the fight, we'll bring a gun."

Debby said...

I read that today. I do not condone this. It does not justify Sarah Palin either. Why can we simply not agree that Sarah Palin has crossed a line? It immediately falls into a 'left/right' issue. She's behaved wrongly, spoken inappropriately. So have others, I grant you, but we are all responsible for our own words, even Sarah Palin.

Debby said...

Brianna said...

All I have to say about this is that our founding fathers, the great men that they were, must be turning in their honored graves. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I honestly believe that instead of evolving, like it's supposed to, politics is devolving. I saw on the news tonight that one of the fatalities in this tragedy was a 9 year old girl. Think about this, people. What if that were your son, daughter, brother, sister? Like you said, just think about it before you start throwing violent, hateful words around.

Bob said...

My last comment on this: I agree 100 percent that politicians from both sides say stupid things, sometimes mean things. It's gross and disgusting. But the metaphorical use of war language (which again, please understand I think is stupid) by politicians of every stripe DOES NOT cause what happened in Arizona, just like little boys who for some reason seem hard wired to point their fingers and say "POW" don't necessarily grow up to be killers.

Debby said...

And again, Bob, I did not claim that Palin or the Tea Party were responsible for the shootings. The point which I am trying to make is this: the next time you hear someone blithely talking about a revolution, think about what the word means. Think about Arizona. I'm asking people to listen to what these people are saying. I'm asking that we decide if people with political leanings should be invoking this imagery. I VOTE NO!

quid said...

The last time people were talking revolution, people like John Lennon were telling us to give peace a chance. Sigh. Maybe it is time for some lyrics..


You say you want a revolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
You tell me that it's evolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
But when you talk about destruction
Don't you know that you can count me out
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
all right, all right

You say you got a real solution
Well, you know
We'd all love to see the plan
You ask me for a contribution
Well, you know
We're doing what we can
But when you want money
for people with minds that hate
All I can tell is brother you have to wait
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
all right, all right

ah, ah, ah, ah, ah...

You say you'll change the constitution
Well, you know
We all want to change your head
You tell me it's the institution
Well, you know
You better free you mind instead
But if you go carrying pictures of chairman Mao
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
all right, all right
all right, all right, all right
all right, all right, all right

cyn said...

Thank you for bringing another voice of reason to the table. It is time for all of us to calm down and come together prepared to listen, not just yammer.